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    Actually, and I'm feeling kinda embarrassed for remembering this(Dammit TVTropes!), he didn't have a problem with erotic art, his problem was that many artists made Bayonetta submissive, which kinda goes against her character. Then in response most artists made her more dominant and all was well in the world of stupid porn once again.

    That twitter reply is really rude tho'. But then again, the guy is a complete wacko(you don't make games like Bayonetta when sane) and the SSB fanbase can be ungodly annoying.
    But yeah, Bayonetta probably won't be in SSB. Can't say I'm surprised seeing how she makes Kratos look like a cat lady in comparison, and I can't say I'm that disappointed either.
    That's the thing about Bayonetta, people ASSUME she's just like any other sexualized female character, when really they're missing the point... this video does a good job at explaining it, I feel:

    http://www.screwattack.com/shows/par...eart-bayonetta

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    As some people might be aware, Megaman's moveset is completely unorthodox. As revealed by the interview with Sakurai, several of Megaman's powers were incorporated into his normal attacks. By that logic, I can make a wild assumption right away.

    Jab - buster shot
    Forward Tilt - buster shot (you're able to run and shoot)
    Up Tilt - Mega Upper
    Down Tilt - Slide
    Forward Smash - Mega Buster
    Up Smash - Spark Shock
    Down Smash - Flame Blast
    Dash attack - Top Spin

    Neutral Air - Buster shot (you're able to jump and shoot)
    Forward Air - Flame Sword
    Back Air - Slash Claw
    Down Air - Hard Knuckle
    Up Air - ?

    Neutral B - Metal Blade
    Forward B - Crash Bomb
    Up B - Rush assist
    Down B - Leaf Shield

    Grab - Super Arm

    I saw Top Spin incorporated in Mega's moveset from the interview, apparently done out of a run, so perhaps I'm wrong on something here.

    My point here is that Megaman apparently has a lot of projectiles, and considering how a lot of people had issues with Pit upon release, or the projectile spam of Toon Link/Snake, I wonder how the reactions to Megaman's huge projectile based gameplay will be like as a result.

    Something to also note from the reveal trailers is that, once again, shields are not pressure sensitive - that is, the shield strength and size won't vary depending on how hard you hold down the shield button. It's probably to incorporate custom control setups once again, but I felt it was necessary to point out since some people still like the shoulder buttons to block attacks with, and having to press them down all the way to activate the shield can get awkward at times.

    EDIT: Whoops! Watching the video again, it looks like the slide is actually his down tilt! That means I had slide and top spin swapped, so that's been fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eltrotraw View Post
    Neutral Air - Buster shot (you're able to jump and shoot)
    Forward Air - Flame Sword/Slash Claw
    Back Air - Slash Claw/Flame Sword
    Down Air - Hard Knuckle
    Up Air - ?
    It's possible that either the Slash Claw or Flame Sword were MM's up air, isn't it?

    Also, looks to me like his up B with Rush is essentially Sonic's Spring move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucken-Berry View Post
    It's possible that either the Slash Claw or Flame Sword were MM's up air, isn't it?

    Also, looks to me like his up B with Rush is essentially Sonic's Spring move.
    Watch this again!

    I'm mainly noting the segment from 5:15 onward, showing the moves in motion. Top spin is done right out of a dash. Spark Shock and Flame Blast are charged like Smashes, and you can see Mega turn around midair when he uses Slash Claw.

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    Well &&&&.

    Gematsu knew about Wii Fit Trainer, who is easily one of the least predictable characters we've ever seen in Smash, so I'm thinking this is right. Mii is totally redundant considering we have Villager, Pac-Man is... well I've already talked about that in a different thread why I hate him as a Smash character. Little Mac is the sole bright light here for me, he's the one character I want nearly as much as I want Ridley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightningboalt View Post
    Well &&&&.

    Gematsu knew about Wii Fit Trainer, who is easily one of the least predictable characters we've ever seen in Smash. Mii is totally redundant considering we have Villager, Pac-Man is... well I've already talked about that in a different thread why I hate him as a Smash character. Little Mac is the sole bright light here for me, he's the one character I want nearly as much as I want Ridley.
    That was posted earlier actually, and was why I brought up Pac-Man in the first place. I'm sure they'll make Pac-Man cool somehow. I could see Mii using the Wii remotes as weapons, or using stuff from Wii Sports.
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    Little Mac, would be really happy. Don't like Pac-Man at all whatsoever, and the only thing that could make Mii somewhat tolerable for me is if it swings/hurls other Miis from your plaza

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    For the love of everything I hope they don't put Pacman or the Mii in there. I'm still not seeing how people are warming up to the generic fitness instructor and I don't want to hear about more disappointing characters. How about Waluigi (no seriously that would be kind of hilarious)and Chrom instead? That would be nice.


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    Slightly relevant, slightly interesting, mostly funny, from what I understand the main reason Sakurai put in the Fitness Instructor as a character is because she was pretty much the only character that no one had ever asked him to put in this game.

    But I do agree with luigiguy, Chrom and Waluigi would be much better than Pac-Man and Mii.
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    Give me one reason why Pac-Man wouldn't be a good character in Smash Brothers. If the Wii Fit Trainer and Animal Crossing Villager can be awesome, why can't Pac-Man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luigiguy78 View Post
    For the love of everything I hope they don't put Pacman or the Mii in there. I'm still not seeing how people are warming up to the generic fitness instructor and I don't want to hear about more disappointing characters. How about Waluigi (no seriously that would be kind of hilarious)and Chrom instead? That would be nice.
    It's kinda funny that you call the Trainer generic yet want Waluigi in. Waluigi hasn't really done much outside of being in the sports and party games, so there's even less to build upon.

    Think of it this way - the Trainer was likely chosen to represent the Wii era of games. There've been characters included to represent certain eras of Nintendo's history, like G&W, ROB, Ice Climber, Olimar, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyBox View Post
    Slightly relevant, slightly interesting, mostly funny, from what I understand the main reason Sakurai put in the Fitness Instructor as a character is because she was pretty much the only character that no one had ever asked him to put in this game.

    But I do agree with luigiguy, Chrom and Waluigi would be much better than Pac-Man and Mii.
    I do think the Mii inclusion would be highly redundant with the presence of the Villager, because I'd say the Mii would be creeping too much on the Villager's moveset. And as I recall, people were throwing hissy fits about Ike possibly copying Marth's moveset, so I'm surprised there's LESS people finding a problem with the idea of both the Mii and Villager being in the roster at the same time.

    The Trainer has a lot of character in both her movements and her quotes too, so I don't see how it's a "wasted slot" considering Smash is all about over the top crossover representation (consider stuff like how chaotic it is and having Kirby being able to eat Bowser).

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    Give me one reason why Pac-Man wouldn't be a good character in Smash Brothers. If the Wii Fit Trainer and Animal Crossing Villager can be awesome, why can't Pac-Man?
    One of the biggest problems to it is that Pac-Man doesn't have much material to build off of. Both the Trainer and Villager have material to use in their games, that are easily used in their movesets (same with Megaman, seeing how every single one of his moves are based on powers he's received in the games). The Trainer copies all of her fitness moves from Wii Fit, for instance, and the Villager uses tools from the Animal Crossing game.

    What does Pac-Man have that can be built upon for an expansive moveset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionichute View Post
    Give me one reason why Pac-Man wouldn't be a good character in Smash Brothers. If the Wii Fit Trainer and Animal Crossing Villager can be awesome, why can't Pac-Man?
    Because as ridiculous as their inclusion is, they're still Nintendo.
    Pac-Man isn't really Nintendo, it's an arcade game that was ported and had a couple sequels that nobody knows about.
    There's nothing really wrong with the moveset aspect, I have an old Pac-Man moveset lying around somewhere, but he doesn't
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    Are you people forgetting the excellent Pac-Man World games? Pac-Man has a lot of material to work with! Watch me work up a move set right now.

    Neutral B: Chomp: Similar to Wario's bite move, Pac-Man bites the air in front of himself, moving slowly forward each time. Opponents caught in his mouth will be stuck and spat out for whatever percent damage.

    Side B: Rev Roll: Pac-Man runs in place for a second, and then launches off. The roll goes farther the longer you charge it, and does whatever damage.

    Up B: Pellet Line: A transparent line of pellets appears over Pac-Man. These pellets can be aimed in three upwards directions for as long as the b button is held. The line of pellets materializes, and Pac-Man follows the trail upward.

    Down B: Butt Bounce: Pac-Man jumps slightly into the air and crashes back down on his behind, doing whatever damage. Can be used at any height.

    There, it's pretty bad, but its still a move set. Just add a couple kicks and punches like they do with every Smash character and it's a viable character.


    IN OTHER NON-ARGUMENTAL NEWS, do you guys think we're going to have to stop calling specials B moves? On the Wii U controller the main button I use is the B button, and it would make sense to have it as the standard attack button, but that would mean relocating the special move button to like, the Y button.
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    I think only one person said moveset wise he's got nothing, so the term you people is probably inappropriate for this context.
    I, personally, said there's nothing wrong with a moveset, but I'd still like to say that, no one's going to recognize moves from Pac-Man World (I didn't actually know that was a thing to be honest).

    But like I said it hardly matters because Pac-Man's not Nintendo. Mega Man is more Nintendo than Pac-Man is.
    And like, there's room for a health nut porcelain fitness trainer in the world of Nintendo, in Brawl there was a stage based on pictochat, but Pac-Man will always be infinitely more Namco than Nintendo, you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionichute View Post
    Are you people forgetting the excellent Pac-Man World games? Pac-Man has a lot of material to work with! Watch me work up a move set right now.

    ...

    There, it's pretty bad, but its still a move set. Just add a couple kicks and punches like they do with every Smash character and it's a viable character.
    B Moves don't make a character. I mentioned Villager and Trainer for a reason, because all their moves, including their normals, work off of what we've seen so far from them. Megaman even moreso. Making up moveslots for the sake of putting them can happen, but consider PSABR on making the characters actually feel like the characters they're based on. Pacman needs a whole lot of extra gimmicks to make him work and not be a generic mix of Kirby and Jigglypuff.

    So far our newcomers have been much more faithful to their source material than past newcomers. Having this one not so much feels very jarring.

    Which, on another train of thought, makes Chrom so appealing, since we might see some interesting attacks coming from him as a result.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bionichute View Post
    IN OTHER NON-ARGUMENTAL NEWS, do you guys think we're going to have to stop calling specials B moves? On the Wii U controller the main button I use is the B button, and it would make sense to have it as the standard attack button, but that would mean relocating the special move button to like, the Y button.
    They already call the moves "specials" on the official sites, but players are just very used to using the B button for special attacks. Depending on the standard default setup this can remain the same as well, because I can't see this changing too much.

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    Alright, fine, whatever. Can we please get this pointless argument over with? But if Pac-Man does get revealed I will laugh
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    Alright, fine, whatever. Can we please get this pointless argument over with? But if Pac-Man does get revealed I will laugh
    Argument? Didn't you ask the question to begin with? Why are you calling it pointless when you started it?

    All I'm doing is listing facts from what we can already see with the media presented before us (i.e. moveset accuracy). Nothing more. My stance for Pac-Man is that there are a lot of choices he has to compete with, so I don't think he's as guaranteed as some of you may think.

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    Argument? Didn't you ask the question to begin with? Why are you calling it pointless when you started it?

    All I'm doing is listing facts from what we can already see with the media presented before us. Nothing more. My stance for Pac-Man is that there are a lot of choices he has to compete with, so I don't think he's as guaranteed as some of you may think.
    The entire argument started because I said I would like Pac-Man in the game, then things spiraled out of control after that. I didn't ask any questions until after the argument started. I just want this &&&&ing thing to end.
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    I don't know if I trust this Gematsu site, honestly. Anyone can say "Well, we knew about that," and how many fake rumors tend to pop up regarding Nintendo games every year already?

    I think Mii, Little Mac, and Pac-Man are all semi-safe bets, either way. I initially thought that the boxing ring would be a Smash-themed battleground (or even Kirby-themed), but comparing it side-by-side to Punch-Out (Wii)'s ring actually does raise a number of surprising similarities, notably the various colors on the ropes matching perfectly. Doesn't confirm anything, of course, but I'd say Mac has a strong fighting chance.

    I don't really see how Mii would overlap with Villager. They have a similar body type, but Mii would be all about using sports weaponry such as a tennis racket, golf club, or...well, okay, now it's starting to sound like Peach. But given the wide range of activities in games like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, and Wii Music, I could definitely see it working. Playing instruments, using a frisbee, hang-glider for the up-B, maybe some sort of Find Mii attack, etc. There's plenty to work with.

    Pac-Man is weird to me. He's an iconic character and I love his original game, but everything that's NOT that is awfully generic with him. And for him to really have a viable moveset, they'd have to use the arms-and-legs version, which most gamers just feel is kinda blah. I'd love to see arcade Pac-Man as an Assist Trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriforceBun View Post
    I don't know if I trust this Gematsu site, honestly. Anyone can say "Well, we knew about that," and how many fake rumors tend to pop up regarding Nintendo games every year already?
    Yeah, that's the big if here. The question of if they're full of crap or not. I'm personally resigning myself to it because while I'm really disappointed by the prospect of Pac-Man and Mii, at least Mac is awesome. It's totally possible they're talking out of their collective asses... but if they truly did know about Wii Fit Trainer then that's definitely confirmation (and really the only reason worth paying attention to the rumor). Really we just need to know if they're telling the truth about knowing, anyone can say "we knew but didn't want to post it yet" after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by TB
    I think Mii, Little Mac, and Pac-Man are all semi-safe bets, either way. I initially thought that the boxing ring would be a Smash-themed battleground (or even Kirby-themed), but comparing it side-by-side to Punch-Out (Wii)'s ring actually does raise a number of surprising similarities, notably the various colors on the ropes matching perfectly. Doesn't confirm anything, of course, but I'd say Mac has a strong fighting chance.
    This is what I was thinking too. Eltro's pointed out the Smash Logo in the center but honestly I think it's just putting a Smash twist on it; sorta like a "Smash Circuit" deal. Either way it's a stage I've wanted to see in some form (be it Dedede, Punch-Out, or generic) so I'm happy no matter what its character connection is.

    Quote Originally Posted by TB
    I don't really see how Mii would overlap with Villager. They have a similar body type, but Mii would be all about using sports weaponry such as a tennis racket, golf club, or...well, okay, now it's starting to sound like Peach. But given the wide range of activities in games like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, and Wii Music, I could definitely see it working. Playing instruments, using a frisbee, hang-glider for the up-B, maybe some sort of Find Mii attack, etc. There's plenty to work with.
    The main thing people (myself included) take issue with is that it'd be another generic avatar character. Villager is at least from a beloved game series with a buttload of personality... Miis have gotten kinda resented in the past few years, particularly because they lack the character that AC Villagers have. I don't mind Miis all too much honestly, but I feel like we have the superior "your character" character already revealed and a Mii just doesn't seem too exciting if all they do is just sports stuff. Totally a workable moveset... just doesn't feel compelling to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by TB
    Pac-Man is weird to me. He's an iconic character and I love his original game, but everything that's NOT that is awfully generic with him. And for him to really have a viable moveset, they'd have to use the arms-and-legs version, which most gamers just feel is kinda blah. I'd love to see arcade Pac-Man as an Assist Trophy.
    See, this I'd be happy with, Assist Trophy Pac-Man. It'd work really well and make perfect sense... as a character his moveset isn't interesting at all. Hell, he was playable in Tekken vs Street Fighter and he wasn't even interesting there. That's a game that had Namco's input and they didn't make him make sense or be all too interesting, so I can't see how he'd be any better in a game like Smash that basically REQUIRES an interesting and goofy moveset.
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    I've never followed Gematsu, but I'm assuming they've been a trusted news source – it would be really gutsy and damaging to make a rumor like this just for laughs, so I'm resigning myself to belief. And if they're not making this up, there's no way anyone could have predicted Yogapants Wii Fit Trainer, so I think the other three listed have to be in.

    I like Little Mac, but Pac-Man and Mii are characters I specifically didn't want in the game. Sorry to Pac-Man fans, but I agree that he's just awfully boring, in that he's boring to look at and I think the standard 3D model they have for him looks really... blah, as Triforcebun put it. I think Mii overlaps with Villager and Wii Fit Trainer since it would likely operate with the idea of doing poses and pulling out sports equipment and the like, while also being an oddball choice that represents Nintendo consoles in general.

    I do hope it isn't true, but I'm expecting it to be.

    Even so, all the other news today has been quite exciting. I really like Megaman's inclusion and have warmed up a lot to the other two newcomers we've seen. I guess they're saving all the characters from series that have already been in Smash for later, but here I'm just waiting for any confirmation on Chrom and Ridley being in. Medusa would sure be a nice bonus, too. Everything with the game is looking very nice so far and it seems like they're going out of their way to tweak old characters and actually make them more representative of their games and history, which is nice.

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    What I'm wondering is not who the newcomers will be, but which characters from Brawl will be given the boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionichute View Post
    The entire argument started because I said I would like Pac-Man in the game, then things spiraled out of control after that. I didn't ask any questions until after the argument started. I just want this &&&&ing thing to end.
    Are you sure? I'm saying it was never an argument (at least not that I saw), so you're blowing it out of proportion when I'm simply providing other views to the matter here when you asked about it. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriforceBun View Post
    I think Mii, Little Mac, and Pac-Man are all semi-safe bets, either way. I initially thought that the boxing ring would be a Smash-themed battleground (or even Kirby-themed), but comparing it side-by-side to Punch-Out (Wii)'s ring actually does raise a number of surprising similarities, notably the various colors on the ropes matching perfectly. Doesn't confirm anything, of course, but I'd say Mac has a strong fighting chance.
    The boxing ring, notably, has a Smash logo in the center and I actually think it's set up more like a wrestling ring than a boxing ring what with the huge TV screen in the background with the big speakers on the side. I'm more concerned about the ring's walls and how that'd affect characters that could potentially perform infinite wallcombos on them.

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    I don't really see how Mii would overlap with Villager. They have a similar body type, but Mii would be all about using sports weaponry such as a tennis racket, golf club, or...well, okay, now it's starting to sound like Peach. But given the wide range of activities in games like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, and Wii Music, I could definitely see it working. Playing instruments, using a frisbee, hang-glider for the up-B, maybe some sort of Find Mii attack, etc. There's plenty to work with.
    The primary thing I can see are using equipment to help with his moveset, similarly to the Villager. It'll probably have to be a different set of equipment, but even then I can think there's an overlap problem if we still have people thinking Wolf is a clone of Fox and Falco. The body type being similar wouldn't help that much, yes.

    We'll have to see, at the least, but I'm still concerned about an overlap either way.

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    Curious on your thoughts of Comic 62 and that reveal, actually.

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    What I'm wondering is not who the newcomers will be, but which characters from Brawl will be given the boot.
    It seems like, given recent gaming news, Lucario, Snake, and Toon Link are in danger of being cut, but nothing's confirmed just yet.


    Ah!

    I forgot to put up a demo match going on between Megaman and Mario. I'm guessing Sakurai was playing as Mega.
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    What I'm wondering is not who the newcomers will be, but which characters from Brawl will be given the boot.
    I'd say they're going to drop all the clone characters and Lucario. Maybe the other 3rd party characters, too.
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    Oh my god. TB basically predicted the Trainer's intro video. All it's missing is Mario and Link.

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