Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

[Pat55word]

honestly I think Kiritsugu's my least favorite character in this whole thing. And other things.

Kiritsugu is my favourite character. He knows what his goals are and does everything necessary to reach them. He doesn't play fair because playing fair is a sure way to give someone else the chance to win. He's very similar to saber. He is willing to sacrifice everything for his goal - Saber sacrificed everything she had to serve her country. Very beautiful.

Lancer Rage

LUCK OF THE IRISH EH

pfft

Anyway, I just watched the new episode, and yeah, I second Lancer deserving a better death than that. The whole thing was tragic, I guess (especially how Kayneth actually did something vaguely redeeming by sacrificing the Grail for his fiancee, even though it was an unrequited love), but since two of the three characters who died were dicks, it wasn't as sad as it could've been.

Gotta say, I forgot how much I enjoyed Maiya. Slicing off Sola's arm? Badass.

I'm honestly not sure what to think about the whole Kiritsugu thing. On one hand, I really like that they're bringing out his anti-hero side (what are you doing to my concept of morality Urobuchi ;-; ) but at the same time, I guess there's a really fine line to walk between making Kiritsugu a fascinating dark hero and making him cross some sort of moral event horizon which just makes you lose all sympathy for him.

And I'm still really hoping that Gate of Babylon vs. Ionian Hetairoi happens.

[bghvgjdh]

pfft

Anyway, I just watched the new episode, and yeah, I second Lancer deserving a better death than that. The whole thing was tragic, I guess (especially how Kayneth actually did something vaguely redeeming by sacrificing the Grail for his fiancee, even though it was an unrequited love), but since two of the three characters who died were dicks, it wasn't as sad as it could've been.

Gotta say, I forgot how much I enjoyed Maiya. Slicing off Sola's arm? Badass.

I'm honestly not sure what to think about the whole Kiritsugu thing. On one hand, I really like that they're bringing out his anti-hero side (what are you doing to my concept of morality Urobuchi ;-; ) but at the same time, I guess there's a really fine line to walk between making Kiritsugu a fascinating dark hero and making him cross some sort of moral event horizon which just makes you lose all sympathy for him.

And I'm still really hoping that Gate of Babylon vs. Ionian Hetairoi happens.

As for Kiritsugu, I think they're doing a pretty good job so far. That speech to Saber (Or Iri, considering) was very well spoken- definitely enough to make me feel sorry for the guy. Also, didn't Rider imply that the attack on Cthulhu would deplete the soldiers in his reality marble? Unless they regenerate, I'm not entirely sure on Ionian Hetairoi's mechanics.

[Eruedraith]

Spoiler: My Reactions 

- Maiya slicing Sola's hand off came off as really funny to me. Just how quick and calm she was about it. Bad ass, girl! Why don't you get more fan attention?
- Similarly, Kayneth's slowly scooting away after shooting Risei had me in stitches. Does this make me a bad person?
- I'd feel more pity for Kayneth when his fiancee was kidnapped if he wasn't such a dick.
- Being Lancer is suffering.
- Oh, Saber's low on mana? Hey. Laaaaaancer. Pullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullas hiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroup ullashirou
- Saber, the only thing that grants me peace is your fighting spirit. Get. A. Room.
- NOW KISS!
- This is not kissing.
- Cool bgm though.
- So chivalrous. Now kiss.
- Kayneth is a creeper, watching them fight like that. Doesn't he know that this is the Heroic Spirit equivalent of sex? (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
- Oh &&&&, Kiritsugu. Holding Sola hostage like that, eh? Hardass.
- Oooh, more exposition on random nasuverse magic. I love this magic system.
- Smooth, Kiritsugu. But I like how you only mentioned you hurting them.
- Oh, &&&&. Lancer. Lancer. Lancer. You were supposed to have thousands of knight babies with Saber. No. No. No.
- Oh, thanks Lancer, for screwing the War up. Nice. And why did you think that Saber was in on it and he was doing it for his love and and and
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- People getting bent out of shape by Kiritsugu's actions. Man, Kiritsugu is pretty much exactly what Shirou would be if he realized exactly what he was fighting for. I really want to see SN!Archer meet Kiritsugu now. Even if Kiritsugu had let them go, Kayneth or Sola would have gone after him at some point (probably Sola, because Lancer).
- Kiritsugu's speech was really impressive. I liked it. Still, Saber has some good points too... feels and philosophy? Have I gone to heaven?
- Also, 'Kiritsugu spoke to me three times'. LOLNOPE.
- Oh &&&&. Iri.

Translation: one of my favorite episodes now.

[Commodore Jim]

&&&&, son.

&&&&.

This episode was crazy. Anyway, I feel that Kiritsugu is someone I can feel bad for. I mean, you guys have seen the episode where he's asking Iri if they can take Illyasviel and just run away from it all, right? Whenever I find myself thinking they've pushed him past the point of me being able to feel sorry for him, I remember that. I remember what Kiritsugu is like when he doesn't have his dead eyes on. I think that helps.

Anyway, the last speech was really well done, and it was interesting to see Saber going from "oh my god this man is a monster" to "...but what made him a monster".

And he's still not as bad as Gilles in that regard. And we all felt bad for him so shut up

[Eruedraith]

So guys, what would your ideal english dub be? Any particular actors that you'd like to see playing certain characters?

Myself:

-Kiritsugu: Crispin Freeman
-Maiya: Claudia Black or Colleen Clickenbeard
-Irisviel: Laura Bailey (Her work as Maka tells me she could definitely do well here, plus Lust and a few others), or maybe Jennifer Hale
-Ilya: Stephanie Sheh (was the one voice in the F/SN dub I could stand)
Saber: Gray DeLisle
-Tokiomi: Tom Kane
-Gilgamesh: Troy Baker (I really think that he could pull this off)
-Kirei: Daran Norris
-Assassin: The whole damn cast
-Uryuu: Johnny Yong Bosch (Izaya tells me he can do good crazy, plus his I'm-so-nice voice fits well) or if you're not fond of that, Todd Haberkorn
-Caster: Mark Hamill
-Kayneth: Kirk Thornton (Just sorta clicked for me)
-Sola: Wendee Lee (taking the job of another starving voice actor)
-Lancer: Chris Patton
-Rider: Cameron Clarke or maybe John DiMaggio
-Waver: Yuri Lowenthal (I don't know why and this will anger people but I can't get him speaking with Lowenthal's voice out of my head now)
-Kariya: Steve Blum
-Berserker: Samuel L. Jackson

So... yeah. Who would you guys want as the cast?

[Moonside]

-Berserker: Samuel L. Jackson

What.

What.

No, really, I'm interesting in hearing the reasoning here.

And this reminds me of something else - who here wasn't prematurely spoiled on Berserker's identity?

[Eruedraith]

What.

What.

You know that it would be awesome. Don't try to deny it.

Actually, that one was a joke, mainly because I couldn't think of anyone else. I'm almost certain that Berserker will be getting a few last words, but whatever.

Also because

Lancelot

being black would have been even funnier than Arthur being a girl.

And also because I once recalled someone saying 'Jackson is at his best when he is screaming' during a Phantom Menace review, so.... who screams the most among Fate/Zero? Berserker.

I got spoiled for the identity by TVTropes, myself.

[Zelos Wilder]

And this reminds me of something else - who here wasn't prematurely spoiled on Berserker's identity?

well I'm spoiled while I'm watching this anime, but while I read the novel I stayed un-spoiled to the end. the reveal was so &&&&ing bittersweet

[Zelos Wilder]

new episode is out beeteedubs

everyone likes blood right

[Pat55word]

new episode is out beeteedubs

everyone likes blood right

:D So Kirei has finally started to awake. And nothing wrong with Saber on a motor cycle. Nothing at all :D

Well it's about time that happened. Tokiomi wasn't my favorite character so I don't really feel too bad for him, even his departure scene with his family didn't seem that... meaningful.

Oh and gee the scene with Irisviel, gosh that was pretty sad

i can't take off the yuri goggles

And I'm generally unspoiled on most everything so Berserker's identity is still a mystery to me, so I guess that's good.

[bghvgjdh]

Sabercycle, my life is complete holy &&&&

And that scene with Iri and Maiya was absolutely fantastic. God Iri why are you such a tragic hero ;-;

[Eruedraith]

Kirei started smiling.

We're all &&&&ed.

Ah, I was craving a good episode with Gil and Kirei. Good to see that something finally happened with that, and I definitely enjoyed this one. Even if the symbolism of Kirei literally stabbing Tokiomi in the back with a Tohsaka family dagger was painfully heavy-handed.

[Commodore Jim]

Anybody else extremely amused by Gilgamesh teleporting around the room in various poses in the plotting scene? It wasn't just me, right?

[Eruedraith]

Anybody else extremely amused by Gilgamesh teleporting around the room in various poses in the plotting scene? It wasn't just me, right?

No, it wasn't just you. Was I the only one who was laughing hysterically at the various innuendos that he was throwing around, or was that just the effect of the nico nico comments?

[bghvgjdh]

No, it wasn't just you. Was I the only one who was laughing hysterically at the various innuendos that he was throwing around, or was that just the effect of the nico nico comments?

I wasn't laughing hysterically but I definitely found them amusing.

[Zelos Wilder]

oh right new ep

filler, but better than rin adventures at least

[Pat55word]

Latest episode. Kiritsugu sooo cute. Omg. <3

[Eruedraith]

Kerry used to be such a happy child.

Like the people on Nico were saying, this would have been a really cool short story/movie all on its own. Just make a coupla tweaks, add a little, and bam!

Also Natalia is Gil's descendent. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[Pat55word]

Like the people on Nico

The nico subs suck though -_-

But omg so cuuuuute.

[Eruedraith]

The nico subs suck though -_-

But omg so cuuuuute.

I like Nico's commenters though

Yeah, Kerry was such an adorable child, as was Shirley. I just wish that we could have seen her death - it would have been a great storytelling tactic, and I'm surprised that the Urobutcher chose to let us go without it.

Urobutcher

This is the best nickname ever.

Anyway, yeah, this ep was cute (young Kerry is strangely easy to like). I was expecting Kerry's backstory to be adorable, but then... uh, holy &&&&. Anyway, the next ep looks to be even better. Looking forward to seeing Kiritsugu turn into the morally ambiguous guy we all know and... uh, have mixed opinions on.

[bghvgjdh]

Honestly think Shirley is one of the most adorable characters I've seen in a while. ...Shame she had to go through that.

As for Natalia, my first thought was basically: "Oh, so that's why Kiritsugu loves guns. He was saved by a rule 63 of Dante."

But &&&&, I did not expect Kiritsugu to have the balls to kill his dad. I suppose it had a lot to do with his dad's role in Shirley's death and subsequent neutrality to it, but damn, son.