A Moment of Change
Didn't think this would fit in the character board, so here we go: One idea I've had for a while is a way to make sense of clones and provide a broad cast of characters while keeping the roster size believable. All characters have alternate colors, of course, but the concept here would be that nearly every(not necessarily all) character would have one alternate character as an outfit.
A good example of this is Peach and Daisy. Peach already has a Daisy color scheme, but what if the model of the character was actually Daisy? And not just visually; different voice lines, effects(daises instead of hearts, for example), stats, etc. She'd be a clone, to be sure, but would also be a unique character on her own.
It'd clean up the roster of clones, provide iconic characters without expending too much effort, and also help make sure single-player doesn't become unwieldy(you'd only ever fight Daisy or Peach in an All-Star match).
So, here's the list I whipped up. Any asterisks by the character's names means that I'm not familiar with the series that well, so forgive any horrid suggestions and the like. Questions marks simply mean I couldn't think of a suitable replacement(open to debate!).
Now, 'couple of disclaimers:
- This isn't to say that some of these can't be unique characters on their own(Wolf, Toon Link, Lucas, etc.), but that there's only oh-so-much room in the roster, and if past trends hold, some of these characters are better off as 'costumes.'
- Some would require more drastic changes than others(visually, technically, and audio-wise). As an example, Dr. Mario to Mario as compared to Lucario to Mewtwo. Leeway for different animations, and by a very small extent, different moves could be granted.
- I'm definitely out of the loop with some of these characters, and others I may have just not thought of well. So, debate is open and encouraged.
I've also got another idea that's been brewing in my head, but I'll save that for later; this one is long enough.
Last edited by Cyphir; February 26th, 2012 at 01:38 PM.
Still talking about costumes, huh?
I still think each character should get at least one costume, but up to 3 or so, and costumes should have some effects on character mechanics, sort of like the clone characters in Melee.
So I'm mostly with Cyphir, up there.
Since I want the costumes to play like clones anyway, I'm fine with characters having a costume that is a different, but pretty similar, character.
Last edited by Giga Man; February 27th, 2012 at 01:47 AM.
There's nothing wrong with showing a little skin. She looks like a fitness model anyway.
Hell, there are even E10+ rated games with "suggestive themes" written in. I'm telling you, it's not a big deal.
Last edited by Giga Man; February 27th, 2012 at 02:00 PM.
Besides, Smash Bros. already has Peach & Zelda upskirts, plus Snake's creepy codec conversation of ZSS, and Brawl got away without "Suggestive Themes". I bet we could even get away with adding in Shantae at this point!
Oh yeah, forgot about Shantae. Guess I'm a bit of a traitor to my own cause if I want her in, huh? :S
But I'm still not quite sure. Maybe they could make it a DLC costume or something and label it with Suggestive Themes before buying it or something. I don't know.
Even if they can get away with it, a half naked lady who whips the crap out of everyone sounds a bit 'worse' then those, and it would remind me of Ivy a bit too much. That alone would be reason enough for me to slap suggestive themes on her arm. But then again, might be just me.Besides, Smash Bros. already has Peach & Zelda upskirts, plus Snake's creepy codec conversation of ZSS, and Brawl got away without "Suggestive Themes". I bet we could even get away with adding in Shantae at this point!
But who's Shantae?
I don't know her, but her looks reminds me a lot of the pixies in Rayman Origins. And since those didn't drag the rating to T, I suspect the rating system really does not mind skimpy outfits if the character they're put on look like this.
No wait, wrong pic. BUT as you can see, that game is extremely cartoony and that's also a point of mine. Those pixies have suggestive outfits, suggestive music and some very suggestive jiggling. But since they're cute cartoons and don't get too much screentime, it's all fine and good.
I can't say I fully understand it, but it really seems like you can easily get away with suggestive themes and/or the T rating this way. SSB Samus in that outfit? I fear that won't fly.
It also doesn't really fit her 'I wanna be a strong independent woman dammit!' personality in my opinion.
Last edited by Zant; February 28th, 2012 at 06:33 PM.
Last edited by Eltrotraw; February 28th, 2012 at 11:43 PM. Reason: images too big
Cheeseman, I'm gonna ask if you could not do that again. Try and make the images smaller, because those are rather large and I don't want to the topic flooded with images. I've edited them into links regardless.
However, just because the art's more revealing doesn't prevent the character from getting in. Do keep in mind that the character can dress more modestly, or be covered up in the proper areas(Lyn, for instance), and don't forget that characters can also get redesigns or modifications to their appearance. See Peach, Pit, or Captain Falcon for instance - though there's no drastic change to make them more modest, the point is that Smash has and can change the appearance of characters to fit the game better.
Take Super Metroid, for instance.
She acts on her own.
She seeks out bounties and missions herself.
She's capable of facing her fears despite her (now canon) troubled past.
Now take this to the Metroid topic if you want to carry this topic further.
What else to talk about...
Oh, how about scantly clad men*shot*
I'll try to think of something else to discuss.
Edit: So, according to some random trivia I happened to come across, back in Melee Mushrooms and Poison Mushrooms turned into unidentifiable question marks upon pausing the game. I don't remember that happening but that's a very nice idea.
Last edited by Zant; March 1st, 2012 at 06:41 AM.
A thing that would like to see in SSB4 is individual victory fanfares for each character.
This was planned for Brawl as there are left over files for songs labeled with the names of the characters under the victory fanfares folder.
Seeing how Meta-Knight had his own theme, I don't see why not.
Make It Happen, Nintendo!
What would you like to see added in a new SSB, here's my wishlist:
Waluigi (he needs more attention )
Pokemon Trainer (Jhoto,Hoenn, Sinnoh and Unova).
Mewtwo (Or could return as a playable Character)
Tell me what you think a new Smash Bros. should have!
Me when I rage (pretend that the stick figure is playing MC/TF2):
Placeholder sig until I make a better one.
Kid Icarus. Lots and lots of Kid Icarus. No new characters, exactly, as Pit dominates the story enough and no other character really joins in the fighting for any more than four chapters, I believe, but Assist Trophies (Magnus) and items (Pit could throw a lot of them) aplenty.
Really, the possibilities are endless with the reboot of pit.
I still think they should let Pit keep his moveset and give the other stuff to Dark Pit to avoid any confusion from past games. But that's just my opinion.
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