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    Republican Primary Candidates

    Yes, there are enough of them to fill a modest fighting game roster. You may use this to discuss their shenanigans.




    Donald Trump is rumoured to have been invited to the final episode of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/6/30/8870629...t-finale-trump

    Jon Stewart's last appearance on "The Daily Show" might have even more f-bombs than usual.

    According to Page Six, producers of the Comedy Central hit have been reaching out to conservative politicians and pundits whom Stewart has roasted over the years, in an effort to put together a dramatic exit for the comedian. An unnamed Page Six source says that the finale will be a chance for Stewart's former victims to "basically tell Jon to fk off.'"

    So far no names have officially been released, but news outlets have suggested the lineup ought to include Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, and George W. Bush.



    And now let's put the spotlight on some weird Republican tax plans, first a recent one by Rand Paul:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/6/19/8810269/rand-paul-flat-tax

    Rand Paul's tax reform plan is utterly bizarre. I don't even mean that as a criticism. It's not that the plan is bad, though it is; it's just downright weird. It calls for a 14.5 percent flat tax, which is substantially lower than just about every other Republican flat tax plan. That's normal enough, if a bit extreme, but then Paul takes a strange turn, altering his proposal in a way that suggests he's borrowing it from a completely baffling source: current California Gov. Jerry Brown's eccentric, ideologically unclassifiable 1992 Democratic presidential primary campaign.

    The result is a confused jumble that cuts rich people's tax burdens dramatically but abandons the very features that conservatives think make flat taxes good for the economy. I've read a lot of politicians' tax plans in my time a truly unreasonable number, really. The origin story and specific details of Paul's plan make it among the strangest I've ever seen.
    Jerry Brown's tax proposal was written by Arthur Laffer, of Laffer curve infamy. But he did let another economist substantially rewrite it by adding another special tax for wealthier people, which means it wasn't a flat tax any more by then.

    And Donald Trump had proposed an extreme wealth tax (that would be a very bad law) in 1999 to remove the national debt:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/18/8244115...ump-wealth-tax

    It's official: Donald Trump is taking a break from going on TV to fire people with his children in order to run for president.

    As Andrew Prokop notes, the Trump campaign will likely compete with the likes of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) for the ultra-conservative Republican base; after all, Trump's most notable contribution to national politics to date was pushing birther conspiracy theories so persistently that President Obama was forced to release his long-form birth certificate just to shut him up.

    But the first time Trump seriously flirted with a presidential run, he sang a markedly different tune. In 1999 and 2000, he considered a bid for the nomination of Ross Perot's Reform Party, which was at the height of its influence after Jesse Ventura won the Minnesota governorship in 1998 as a Reform candidate. Trump's big idea was a one-time wealth tax of 14.25 percent on all individuals and trusts with a net worth in excess of $10 million. The proceeds would be used to wipe out the national debt, with the savings in interest payments going to shore up Social Security and pay for middle-class tax cuts.
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    Re: Republican Primary Candidates

    Trump has performed like a trump in a few recent polls.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/2/8881175/...rump-president

    If you're skeptical about Donald Trump's chances of winning the GOP presidential nomination, you have good reason to be.

    Despite a set of new polls showing the celebrity mogul in second place in the crowded GOP field one from Iowa, two from New Hampshire, and two nationwide Trump seems to be on the initial steps of a path that was well-trodden by fringe presidential contenders last time around.

    Indeed, in 2011 and 2012 it was so common for Republican candidates to rise from political obscurity to a commanding poll position and to quickly collapse soon afterward that two well-known political scientists even developed a name for the phenomenon: discovery, scrutiny, and decline.
    At various points, Rick Perry (blue), Herman Cain (red), Newt Gingrich (green), and Rick Santorum (brown) all surged to first place in RCP's average of national polls. Even earlier, a short-lived Michele Bachmann boomlet put her in second, as you can see from the black line.

    And, as the Washington Post's Philip Bump reminds us, there was another contender that briefly surged to second place in 2011, though he's not included in this chart, since he didn't end up running in the end. His name was Donald Trump.
    It looks like the GOP bandwagon cycle may be even more amusing than in the primaries for 2012:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-1452.html

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    Of course, Trump staying in long enough will do wonders for the Democrats' strength among Hispanics. If he peaks late, it will be a disaster for the Republicans.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/12/8937107...rump-troll-GOP

    Donald Trump is trolling the GOP.

    The real estate mogul vaulted into the top tier of Republican presidential candidates by becoming a megaphone for immigration hard-liners. That's revealed an ugly truth that party leaders have been trying to suppress in their pursuit of Latino voters: Anti-Hispanic bigotry plays well with a chunk of the Republican primary electorate.

    Mexican immigrants are "bringing drugs and bringing crime, and they're rapists," Trump said last month. On Saturday, at a rally in Phoenix that had to be moved to the city's convention center to accommodate the crowd, he "tripled down," as Politico put it. "Theyre taking our jobs. Theyre taking our manufacturing jobs. Theyre taking our money. Theyre killing us," he said. He invited the father of a young man slain by an unauthorized immigrant to the podium to speak.

    Trump's a natural showman the man who turned "You're fired" into a TV catchphrase but he's given no indication that he's anything but serious as he whips up nativist passions. The danger for the GOP is that Trump's pitch-perfect parroting of anti-immigration forces and their support for him in polls will suggest to Latino voters and others that the whole party is intolerant.

    GOP leaders and candidates have no idea what to do about it. Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus tried the nice-guy route, asking Trump in a private conversation to tone down his rhetoric. Instead, as he increasingly gets under the skins of his rivals and top GOP officials, Trump is pumping up the volume.
    If he is tenacious enough to get a second peak, things get interesting for Bush, Rubio and Cruz.

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    The Republican primaries are almost turning into an ant hill with 17 candidates expected.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/16/8974209...andidates-2016

    By early August, 17 Republicans are expected to be running for president easily the most for any party since the birth of the modern primary system. Respected current and former governors and senators are lining up, but so are factional favorites, outsider bomb throwers, and obscure figures long absent from the national political scene.

    The glut of candidates is already causing problems for the GOP. For instance, it seems difficult, if not impossible, to fit everyone onstage for a substantive debate, but the criteria for excluding people seem pretty arbitrary. Meanwhile, Republican elites are growing increasingly fearful of a long primary battle that will divide and weaken their party while Hillary Clinton cruises to the Democratic nomination. Though there are different views on whether a general election nominee is likely to be seriously damaged by a tough primary contest, the impact of an expensive, months-long slog on wealthy donors' wallets would be very real.

    So what's in the Republicans' water? Particularly since, as FiveThirtyEight's Harry Enten writes, the conventional wisdom is that the GOP tends to "fall in line" behind a nominee?

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    Beside his unknown magic super duper plan for the war in Syria and Iraq, Trump only has one foreign policy idea. That's just one concrete foreign policy and it is his only concrete policy. And it comes down to colonialist thievery.



    It looks like Donald Trump's presidential campaign is going to be with us for a little while longer, and probably through the first Republican debate. At some point, then, it becomes impossible to avoid talking about Trump's policies yes, even his foreign policy.

    Trump doesn't really like talking about policy, and he doesn't have what you might call a clear policy agenda. But there is one quote that really gets to the core of his foreign policy worldview and what a Trump administration foreign policy would look like. Here it is, from a 2011 TV appearance (emphasis mine):

    I very simply said that Iran is going to takeover Iraq, and if thats going to happen, we should just stay there and take the oil. They want the oil, and why should we? We de-neutered Iraq, Iran is going to walk in, take it over, take over the second largest oil fields in the world. Thats going to happen. That would mean that all of those soldiers that have died and been wounded and everything else would have died in vain and I dont want that to happen. I want their parents and their families to be proud.
    Yes, Trump believes that America should "take Iraq's oil."
    He has said the same about Libya.

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    Bush doesn't distance himself from possible torture in the future:

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...s-us-president

    Jeb Bush has declined to rule out the US resuming the use of torture with the Republican presidential hopeful saying brutal questioning methods might be justifiable and necessary in some circumstances.

    The former Florida governor said in general he believed torture was inappropriate and his brother, former President George W Bush, largely ended the CIAs use of the techniques before he left office. The CIA had been using waterboarding, slapping, nudity, sleep deprivation, humiliation and other methods to coerce al-Qaida detainees methods the military would be prohibited from using on prisoners of war.

    I dont want to make a definitive, blanket kind of statement, Jeb Bush told an audience of Iowa Republicans, when asked whether he would keep in place or repeal President Barack Obamas executive order banning so-called enhanced interrogation techniques by the CIA.

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    Doing what comedians do, Andy Borowitz has some fun words about a certain candidate's mismatched infrastructural priorities.

    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...ild-giant-wall

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—As America’s bridges, roads, and other infrastructure dangerously deteriorate from decades of neglect, there is a mounting sense of urgency that it is time to build a giant wall.

    Across the U.S., whose rail system is a rickety antique plagued by deadly accidents, Americans are increasingly recognizing that building a wall with Mexico, and possibly another one with Canada, should be the country’s top priority.

    Harland Dorrinson, the executive director of a Washington-based think tank called the Center for Responsible Immigration, believes that most Americans favor the building of border walls over extravagant pet projects like structurally sound freeway overpasses.

    “The estimated cost of a border wall with Mexico is five billion dollars,” he said. “We could easily blow the same amount of money on infrastructure repairs and have nothing to show for it but functioning highways.”

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    Rick Perry has left the Republican primaries with a parting shot at Trump.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34227778

    Former Texas Governor Rick Perry has dropped out of the race to be US president - the first departure among a large field of Republican candidates.

    Mr Perry had recently stopped paying campaign staff in states with early contests like Iowa.

    His campaign has been struggling in the polls and he failed to make the cut into the main Republican presidential debate last month.

    Mr Perry also ran in 2012 but dropped out after a series of gaffes.

    Without naming front-runner Donald Trump, Mr Perry warned fellow Republicans to reject hard-line stances on immigration that could alienate Hispanic Americans.

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    Scot Walker has also left the Republican race:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9367233...ped-out-reason

    Scott Walker is dropping out of the Republican presidential race because he doesn't have enough money to run a top-tier campaign.

    But that's not the same as saying that Scott Walker is dropping out because he didn't have the money to keep running for president. He could have trimmed down his campaign apparatus, abandoned New Hampshire and Nevada, and dedicated all his energy to Iowa.

    After all, Walker was leading the polls in Iowa for most of this year — Donald Trump didn't overtake him there until after August 3rd. He was winning Iowa for a lot longer than he's been losing it. Wasn't it worth sticking around a bit to try to win the state back?
    As the bête noir of organised labour, Walker's exit is warmly greeted by many leftists (yours truly included).

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9366837...kers-loss-than

    There's no one more ecstatic about dancing on the grave of Scott Walker's national political ambitions than Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO.

    When the union-busting Wisconsin governor entered the race for the Republican presidential nomination back in July, Trumka released a one sentence statement: "Scott Walker is a national disgrace."

    So as Walker prepared to announce his exit from the race on Monday, Trumka went for a simple coda.


    Bush is eager to attract black voters, but doesn't have a clue why they prefer Democrats (hint: it got something on this "civil rights thing", not "free stuff").

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/25/9399145...ush-free-stuff

    Jeb Bush is promising to draw in more black voters to the Republican Party, but he doesn't seem to know why African Americans tend to vote Democrat in the first place.

    On Thursday, Bush contrasted his platform with that of Democrats, who he said get black voters by offering them "free stuff": "Our message is one of hope and aspiration. It isn't one of division, and get in line, and we'll take care of you with free stuff. Our message is one that is uplifting, that says you can achieve earned success. We're on your side."

    Bush's comments get the history wrong. Black voters didn't start aligning with Democrats because of "free stuff." They shifted because the party started standing up for issues that matter most to African Americans, including basic civil rights.

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    Good thing Scott Walker left. The "Great Wall of America" sounds silly at best (even Donald Trump finds that silly).
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    Trump is losing in the polls, having been dependent on media exposure for his rise:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9419455/donald-trump-media

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    The Guardian opines that Bush is back in the race, along with Paul.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...le-substantive

    The eight top Republicans jostling for position in the race for their party’s presidential nomination engaged in the most substantive but also the most volatile and feisty debate of the 2016 cycle on Tuesday night as the race for the White House entered a new and more demanding phase.

    Two hours of debate in the Milwaukee Theater in Wisconsin saw the country’s leading rightwing presidential hopefuls hurl themselves into detailed and heated disputes over the fundamentals of modern conservatism. Donald Trump clashed with Jeb Bush over immigration, Rand Paul took on Marco Rubio, while Ben Carson was deeply tested over his knowledge of foreign affairs and the veracity of his own personal story.

    The media hosts of the fourth Republican presidential debate, Fox Business and the Wall Street Journal, promised that it would be the most substantive on the issues that Americans cared about. And it delivered.

    The populist grandstanding of the so-called “outsider” candidates – notably Trump and Carson – came under more detailed scrutiny than in any previous debate. Trump in particular was challenged over his headline-grabbing promise to round up and eject the country’s 11 million undocumented immigrants.

    Jeb Bush, whose campaign has been seriously flagging in recent weeks as he struggled to find his voice, came out guns blazing in a derisive take-down of the Trump position. “Twelve million illegal immigrants, to send them back, 500,000 a month, is just not possible. And it’s not embracing American values. And it would tear communities apart. And it would send a signal that we’re not the kind of country that I know America is.”

    Feeling the wind finally in his sails, Bush pressed on. He said that even having a conversation about forced deportation of millions of law-abiding people “sends a powerful signal. They’re doing high-fives in the Clinton campaign right now when they hear this, that’s the problem with this”.
    Vox thinks differently, alleging that Bush lost the debate.

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    Meanwhile, Trump wants to bring "Merry Christmas" back to generic holiday Starbucks cups.
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    The executive hasn't been very avid to comment on the Republican primaries, but Kerry did yesterday allude to the Republican candidates' eagerness to form a more perfect embarrassment.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ent-cruz-trump

    The chaos of the 2016 US presidential election “is an embarrassment to our country”, secretary of state John Kerry said on Sunday, as he reflected on the candidates’ anti-Muslim sentiment and world leaders’ growing concern.

    Asked about what he hears from leaders abroad regarding the US election, Kerry told CBS’s Face the Nation: “I think it’s fair to say that they’re shocked.

    “It upsets people’s sense of equilibrium about our steadiness, about our reliability,” Kerry said. “And to some degree I must say to you, some of the questions, the way they’re posed to me, it’s clear to me that what’s happening is an embarrassment to our country.”

    Kerry did not specify which candidates or remarks had embarrassed the US, but he was clearly alluding to controversial proposals from the Republican candidates.

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