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    Quote Originally Posted by Zant View Post
    You are aware we're talking 'bout a TV-show here, right? Having the hero face a powerful and intimidating monster is not exactly a thing that has never been done before in movies.

    Either way, I'm a big big fan of Zelda and I'd greatly appreciate a good TV-show. Zelda's got enough characters, lore, action and all that good basic stuff ya need fer a good one. Can't say I trust this source much however, considering that it speaks of Live Action, and this would just be financially impossible what with the bigass world populated with all kinds of monsters and magics. Not to mention a realistic style ala Lord of the Rings would not fit Zelda too well either, I'd think. I'm taking this with a huge grain of salt, for I just don't believe Nintendo would think Live Action LoZ is a good idea.
    Yes it isn't a thing, but it can't end up being rinse and repeat. You don't exactly see many movies revolving around doing the same thing 6 times throughout the movie with slight variations each time. If it's not kept fresh, they WILL lose viewers.

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    ...are people seriously considering that "bosses" in this show would behave how they do in the games, with repetitive cycles and redoing things three times? That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone think a TV show would do. And if a show did it, it'd be just as immensely stupid.

    As for bosses in general, they'd have to not overdo them. They have to be about as rare as they are in the games. You don't spend a whole lot of time fighting bosses in Zelda games. I think the idea that they'd do way too many of them to the point it gets stale is a bit of an overzealous assumption - why would they do a ridiculous amount of bosses in the first place?
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    I think I'll give the show a shot when ti comes out. I'm pretty cautious, of course, but I also don't see any need to be particularly pessimistic right now. If it ends up being bad, it'll get swept under the rug and the video games will continue on.

    We have to remember this is going to be a TV show. Unless it's gonna be like a family-oriented saturday morning cartoon, except not a cartoon, it's unlikely it's going to follow an episode formula where Link goes in a dungeon and solves block puzzles and kills a boss at the end. They don't have to throw King Dodongo at Link in a circular room at the end of a cave, they can just do whatever they want with it, and if Link's going to kill it by chucking a bomb in its mouth, it'll probably just be the one. Also consider that they might make new antagonists or otherwise focus more on human ones than run up the special effects budget all the time.

    Furthermore, there's no reason the show needs to focus on combat all the time, either. Zelda's also about exploration, a mythical fantasy world, and all these little side characters and their problems. Everyone just remember the combat and dungeons since it's a video game – but this is a TV show. They could easily focus an episode on individual characters, an original subplot, what we'd call a sidequest in the game, or an interaction with the main cast (since this isn't necessarily Link running around with a fairy the entire series). They don't have to make Link silent or even wear a green cap, since it looks pretty silly in real life. Basically, there's no reason for a TV show to be emulate the games exactly or follow formulas. It might not even have the "collect these x mystical items" thing as the overarching plot.

    There's no telling if live action "fits" Zelda or not. Zelda has a really interesting setting that I feel they dont' explore enough, and while we don't have to take any shows as canon to the series unless Aonuma says so, the writers – assuming they're good – have an interesting general setting and a lot of ways to explore it in-depth. It's possible they'll take a lot of liberties. Maybe that could rub some people the wrong way if they, say, don't use the exact terminology the games use or "mislabel" an enemy, but even then it could still turn out to be a good show. I'm admittedly not hopeful about that, but I'm certainly hoping for it.

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    According to The Wall Street Journal, Netflix is developing a live-action series based on the classic video game franchise The Legend of Zelda from Nintendo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucey_Dee_Brawl View Post
    I have this to say: If a movie just can't work out, then why don't they make a live-action television show? With a show of indefinite length, the possibilities are so unfathomably endless. Revisualizing (or whatever the word is) is not a problem; the above artwork has done just that. Just imagine: a television show that ties all the games together, excluding Skyward Sword. I think that would be the ultimate production. And don't try to give me all these reasons why it's impossible, because it's not. This is a possibility that has not only potential, but possibility. Look at Legend of the Seeker, and the Lord of the Rings movies. If they can do all that, Legend of Zelda shouldn't be out of reach.

    So, I say again, if not a movie or movie series, then a television show simply has to happen. This franchise has too much unused potential.
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    Besides, I'm certain I'm not the only who, deep down at the least, would love to see LOZ in live-action. The IGN April Fools trailer (which provided much of the inspiration behind this) has made that perfectly clear. The appeal of this possibility to the fans alone would be enough of an advantage to Nintendo if it were to make it a reality.

    My point is, though a live-action production of the Legend of Zelda would require a lot of work, effort, and dedication in order to turn out well, it would be entirely worth it, as well as a well-deserved credit to the franchise and to all of Nintendo for making something so captivating.
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    Now, onto the discussion part. I know that this is a potential case of "be careful what you wish for", but I'm willing to take that chance, and I have full faith in this endeavor, even though there's no guarantee that the creators will share my vision, exact or general. Some of you would know that I'm being earnest here; you know that, despite my tendency to descend into rants about the shortcomings of society, I am very optimistic when it comes to things like this. And for those of you who don't know, or don't remember, allow me to paint a picture: I liked both Equestria Girls movies, Teen Titans Go!, and Sonic Boom, all of which are more commonly chastised for their deviation from the original scheme of their franchises. Yeah, I'm that optimistic, and I'm going to be that optimistic about this. Even if it doesn't turn out as faithful as many will (almost zealously) hope, it will be hard to make the show legitimately bad given the kind of field they're playing on here. And even if it does somehow turn out that way, like some of you have said, it'll just be swept under the rug, and everything will go on as before.

    That said, while looking at the original article from The Wall Street Journal- Y'know, the article that the article linked to in this topic is talking about, mediagofigure- I did find an interesting... "detail", shall we say.

    As it is still seeking a writer to work on the series, Netflix has a long road to travel before a “Legend of Zelda” series actually becomes a reality. It’s also possible that Netflix or Nintendo will kill the project before it gets off the ground.
    With this in mind, we all might be getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, but even if either of the two worst-case scenarios (for me, at least) happens, I'll still be thankful that I could have, at the very least, this one moment of ecstasy- that this idea, which I've been so passionate about, was at least considered officially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchman View Post
    Did we seriously bring Other M into this? The disaster was all Sakamoto's fault. He called the shots including VAing. We aren't going to talk about it.
    My apologies for this, I forgot for a moment how flamebait-y this game is.

    And I feel like the dungeon crawling may have a counter balance to solving the problem. Some episodes focus on Link and his companion going through the dungeon, conversing, building character. Another could be that those episodes split the focus between Link in the dungeon and another party. So if he's at Death Mountain, the dungeon could have inscriptions or something on the walls detailing the history of the goron race, cutting to flashbacks every so often.
    That's a good idea I did not took into consideration.

    The odd thing with the dungeons is, even the Manga adaptation reduced the dungeon aspect of the story as far as possible. Link is not constantly pushing blocks in it, its much more story-driven. However, the Manga are also much more compact than a full-blown series, and having a Zelda series without any form of exploring dungeons (or at least caves) would be kinda contradictory.

    As others stated, I don't think that fighting huge monster bosses will get boring too quick, as it wouldn't happen all the time. I'm just concerned how well this could be pulled off in a live action series, but I admit I'm not an expert on those kind of series.
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    I agree that this should be animated, making it live action means that any gorons, zoras, dekus, or ANY monsters will be either &&&&ty costumes are laughable CGI.

    I can vizualize an epic battle between Link and Gohma in my head that's animated like an anime or just a regular cartoon, but seeing it in my head as live action is just a bunch of obvious greenscreen.

    Even in the campier old zelda Link was a freaking badass:

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    Something strange that I heard somewhere in the vast echo chamber that is the internet (and need to find the frickn source for again) said that Link would be both a girl and lesbian in the new cartoon. Chances are that when (and if) someone in Netflix or Nintendo said this, that it was probably part of and idea creating process and may or may not actually happen (i'm thinking not). If they did do that to Link's character, my only question would be, why?

    Going on, I think the make or break part of the show will be how they do Link's character. I'm not going to say that he should be silent or bound entirely to his original character, but at the same time you have to keep in mind that they are making a TV show and slapping a famous video game series's name on the front. If they want to not loose their initial audience they are going to have to keep at least part of it relevant to the LOZ games. What I am saying is that while it would not be necessary to keep everything the same as artistry likes freedom and the medium change needs to be noted, there is no reason to go off of the cliff for this show and practically forget the source material.

    Also, I want Link's personality to not be horrid, no character with a heart on on their sleeve please.

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    I really doubt that they would turn Link into a lesbian woman. Why would they significantly alter the main lead of a series based on some franchise when they just could easily make up an original character for that?

    Personally, I wouldn't mind if they take liberties with Link's characterization as a whole. Heck, I probably wouldn't even mind the genderswap as long as it's done properly (and not just a lame justification to get some lesbian softcore porn in). As long as they don't break the very basic framework of his character, I'm open for fresh ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavThunderbird View Post
    Something strange that I heard somewhere in the vast echo chamber that is the internet (and need to find the frickn source for again) said that Link would be both a girl and lesbian in the new cartoon.


    Can anyone actually think if Nintendo has any say in the matter that they would do this? Or that they would do this if they wanted to keep the fans relatively pleased?
    Also: The show is live action (which sucks and the fact they're calling it Game of Thrones for families angers me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZORK View Post
    I really doubt that they would turn Link into a lesbian woman. Why would they significantly alter the main lead of a series based on some franchise when they just could easily make up an original character for that?

    Personally, I wouldn't mind if they take liberties with Link's characterization as a whole. Heck, I probably wouldn't even mind the genderswap as long as it's done properly (and not just a lame justification to get some lesbian softcore porn in). As long as they don't break the very basic framework of his character, I'm open for fresh ideas.
    I highly doubt that they would do that to the character because there really is no reason to do it aside from yolo and fan service (which does not really resonate well with what they said about it being family friendly).

    My guess is that someone during a creative idea building meeting thought it up and accidentally spoke of it in proximity to a reporter.

    Also I really hope they don't make the show character driven, no, just no.

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    Can anyone actually think if Nintendo has any say in the matter that they would do this? Or that they would do this if they wanted to keep the fans relatively pleased?
    Also: The show is live action (which sucks and the fact they're calling it Game of Thrones for families angers me).
    The answer to that is HELL NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavThunderbird View Post
    Also I really hope they don't make the show character driven, no, just no.
    I'll admit I had to look that term up just so that I was clear on what it meant, and now that I have, I'm in agreement with you there. "Relationships and inner personal development" do NOT sound like Legend of Zelda.

    And as for the remark about the show being "Game of Thrones for families", I am confident that that is simple referring to the fact that it's going to be an epic live-action fantasy television show, not that it's going to actually be at all similar to Game of Thrones. It was most likely made by someone who's a fan of Game of Thrones; fans often compare other things to the things they're already into. Remember the Littlest Pet Shop thread, and how some of the local bronies (including myself) were comparing the show to MLP:FiM? Same basic concept. By finding a way to associate (or dissociate) new material with/from the material with which they're already familiar, people are more easily able to determine for themselves if the new material is something they would want to get into. Granted, this way of thinking isn't always accurate, but it more often than not suffices as a way of "trimming the fat", allowing one to focus on media that appeals to their interests. It's a very fundamental concept, really, but I'd rather not get into that. I've gone on enough already.

    What I'm saying is that all these vague remarks about the show do not need to be examined at face value. Given the status of the show as described by the sources responsible for it even being known, even the people saying such things could be speaking too soon. Until the very existence of the show itself is cemented, there is really no way of knowing how it's going to go.

    EDIT: And for those of you who are still not convinced about a live-action LOZ show being any good, there are things out there that are much less feasible, like, say, for instance, a Tetris movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deucey_Dee_Brawl View Post
    I'll admit I had to look that term up just so that I was clear on what it meant, and now that I have, I'm in agreement with you there. "Relationships and inner personal development" do NOT sound like Legend of Zelda.
    Maybe not, but the best stories are driven by their characters. I'm pleased that they're trying to go this route - how successfully remains to be seen.

    You can't just write off an incredibly important aspect of storytelling because it doesn't 'fit'.
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    Maybe not, but the best stories are driven by their characters. I'm pleased that they're trying to go this route - how successfully remains to be seen.

    You can't just write off an incredibly important aspect of storytelling because it doesn't 'fit'.
    I wasn't talking about having it as an aspect, I was talking about the idea of the show revolving dominantly around the concept.

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    well, what would the show revolve around instead, if not its characters?
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    Well, yes, obviously the show should revolve around the characters, just without getting too deep into things like internal conflict and inter-personal relationship development.

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    why not? these are interesting things that give the characters depth and make you actually care about them. when you care about the characters, you care about the plot, and they help you get invested in the show overall. internal conflict and complicated character relationships are just things that should be in most stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eruedraith View Post
    why not? these are interesting things that give the characters depth and make you actually care about them. when you care about the characters, you care about the plot, and they help you get invested in the show overall. internal conflict and complicated character relationships are just things that should be in most stories.
    Again, that's not what I'm trying to say. Furthermore, judging by the point you're maintaining here, I can only assume that I still don't fully understand what exactly "character-driven" means, and have been taking it to have a more extreme meaning. With that in mind, I'm going to rest my case, seeing as this debate is turning out to be one misunderstanding after another.

    But just for future reference, could you explain to me what the hell "character-driven" even MEANS? The dichotomy of "character-driven" versus "plot/action-driven" is starting to bemuse me as much as the stock market.

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    In plot driven stories, the characters are inconsequential and just sort of inhabit the plot. They're the pieces used by the plot to shape a narrative (for example, Super Mario Bros - it doesn't matter if you play as Mario or Luigi, the end result is the same. You could replace Mario with Wario, and nothing would change. You could make the game into playing as Bowser on a quest to defeat Peach to save Luigi and the plot would not be different, because the story is literally just "x goes on adventure, defeats y, saves z" and there isn't any real motivation for why x wants to defeat y and save z other than vague roles the plot requires).

    In character driven stories, the characters shape the plot. The plot moves as a result of character actions, the characters are capable of changing and to some extent develop over time (for example, Luigi's Mansion - it is an important part of the plot that Luigi is a coward who lives in Mario's shadow. If Mario were the main character, the game would necessarily be completely different. If Wario were the main character, the game would necessarily be completely different. The story is Luigi overcoming his fear of ghosts out of love for his brother, who he needs to save. He may not vanquish his fear, but he faces it and that in itself is a character developing scenario that creates intrigue).

    It can be a subtle distinction sometimes (as in the examples I gave - Luigi's Mansion isn't a particularly deep plot, but it's actually got character motivations and character development to some small degree, and that makes all the difference). Typically it's a bit more complex, but to generalize, character driven stories are on the whole far more interesting than plot driven stories. Plot driven stories don't really give you much reason to care, why is it that I should care about Peach in SMB, why should I hate Bowser, why should I root for Mario? The thing is, you don't care about these things when you play SMB, you care about beating the levels because it's fun to play through them, there's really no actual motivation for you other than overcoming the challenges via your developing platforming skills.


    A Zelda show needs to be character driven, because it has to be important that Link is the hero, and for that matter you have to care about Ganondorf as a villain and Zelda as whatever her role is (be it damsel, friend, heroine, etc). Breaking Bad is a compelling show because everything that happens is a result of Walter White's character. He does certain things because of his character, these decisions have consequences, and then you see how his character deals with the consequences. Breaking Bad happens because of the character of Walter White; you're not simply interested in seeing what happens next, you're interested in seeing what Walt does next. Steven Universe is a compelling cartoon because Steven is constantly developing, growing smarter, learning lessons, and discovering things about himself and others - there may be quests and battles, but it's the interplay between characters that is really what keeps you interested. A Zelda show needs to happen because of Link as a character, otherwise it simply won't be interesting aside from the initial novelty of "live action Zelda show". Link is always portrayed as this pinnacle of courage, a brave underdog who faces immense odds. "Character driven" doesn't mean that he has to have melodramatic "what am I fighting for" moments, what it means is that he can't just follow a path blindly. He has to have reasons for what he does, and develop as a result of actions. You have to actually care about Link and understand why he does what he does for a Zelda show to work, "you're fated to do this so just go do it" isn't interesting. There has to be motivation and room for you to care about the character. Blank-slate Link works in games because the idea is "okay, you're a hero, figure out these challenges"... that doesn't work in TV show format. You have to be interested in what Link does, and why he does it.
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    Ah, I see. That makes more sense. In that case, I retract my position taken in the matter.

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    So anyway, why don't we move the discussion along? What are some specific things you would like to see in the show, characters, enemies, places, etc., even as a cameo or insider wink? Obviously all major elements go without saying.
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    I'm looking forward to it, though there's almost no way this show isn't going to be criticized to death. My only real qualm is the current description of it being 'child-friendly game of thrones,' specifically the Game of Thrones part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windMage View Post
    I'm looking forward to it, though there's almost no way this show isn't going to be criticized to death. My only real qualm is the current description of it being 'child-friendly game of thrones,' specifically the Game of Thrones part.
    Yeah that would bother me too, though I think it's along the lines of what Deucey_Dee_Brawl said,
    that it's kinda like how most every medieval-esque fantasy game gets compared with Skyrim. (shoot, even games that are nothing like Skyrim get compared to it. XD)
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    It is ridiculous, but people generally seem to have this idea that Game of Thrones is just this generic fantasy show. I remember hearing something on the radio by Cox that basically had some stereotypical nerd speak in faux-Shakespearean English and mumble about taking the throne behind their breath. I don't even think the Zelda show creator even knows what Game of Thrones is.
    Generally, I'm not going to be optimistic, just cautious. Video game adaptions are almost never good, but it's possible that this will be an exception. Not getting my hopes up.
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    Netflix bought another series and rehashed it. The series? Richie Rich.
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    90% of all kid shows suck ass. Been like that for about 20 years now, and probably even longer. That ain't just a Netflix problem. Good family oriented cartoons are just really damn rare. In the past few years we've only had, wot, 5 good shows or so? Avatar, MLP, Adventure Time, Phineas & Ferb and Gravity Falls. That's pretty much it, innit?

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    Re: Netflix is Making another Zelda tv show

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    Netflix bought another series and rehashed it. The series? Richie Rich.
    Surprise! It sucks ass. How many more franchises are they gonna buy?!?
    Gee, as if every other post you've made in this thread wasn't showing that you're completely closed-minded...

    ...did you seriously expect Richie Rich of all things to actually be good? That crap was always trash. "The poor little rich boy," yeah, that's gripping. Meanwhile, most of Netflix's live action shows (House of Cards and Orange is the New Black come to mind) are very well received. For the record, you're also very wrong about Netflix "owning" Puss in Boots or Madagascar or Veggietales or Richie Rich. Dreamworks has a deal with Netflix to make original content for them. Dreamworks is the one making those shows, Netflix is just hosting them. It's financially gainful for Netflix to have original content, and they made a deal with Dreamworks to make shows for them. Dreamworks is the company actually producing these shows. Again - Dreamworks is the owner of all of those properties. Netflix is just paying them to make these shows because having more options (in this case, kid-friendly exclusives) allows them to better compete with cable companies.



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