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    Re: Equal rights between men and women

    How is this at all relevant to the discussion of gender equality and relations? Is this just a demonstration of 'ha ha silly feminists'?
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    Yeah, let's just desensitize rape to someone using a slur or checking someone out, because that'll help people who've actually been raped.
    Have you reflected on how inconsiderate this comment might be? Try to imagine in what context this woman is speaking. From the brief clips it was evidently in India or Bangladesh and she also has a video of her grandmother singing the Indian national anthem, so India is what we should presume as the context. So we have to wonder: "Gadzooks, could there be any sense to this 'rape'-laden message in an Indian context?"

    The answer is "yes", if you had followed the news over the past few years, you would have heard of endemic problems with rape in India. Frankly even so much as searching "India rape" on Google should have returned tens of thousands relevant results. Her message makes a crucial point: if we want to put an end to this massive rape problem, we need to address problems like harassment, calling people sluts and domestic violence. It's not so stupid any more if you consider that, is it?

    For some additional context, India also has a particularly vicious MRA scene. Spousal rape is legal in India and that is one of the things that they advocate: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/0...-inspirations/

    (And then, parenthetically, it's not in the semantic range of "desensitize" to have "rape" as an object. One desensitises persons or at least living things, not crimes or word meanings.)

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    How is this at all relevant to the discussion of gender equality and relations? Is this just a demonstration of 'ha ha silly feminists'?
    No, like Villerar said, it's about rape laws in India. But I feel like this is a case of good cause, bad execution. Saying that violence, slurs, and checking someone out is rape is just desensitizing people to the severity of rape. It's as if I said "I got robbed when I saw a guy borrowed money from someone and didn't pay it back." instead of "Not paying your debts is truly a form of theft/ it can lead to theft."
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    Read here: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015...-reporter.html

    One soccer fan in Toronto hurled a misogynistic insult (that insult is actually a phrase commonly found in social media these days) to a local television journalist. Before that incident, the fan was an employee of a provincial government-owned energy company who earned over $100,000 annually. He since got fired and his alma mater distanced itself from him. Not only that, but Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs (ice hockey), Toronto Raptors (basketball), and Toronto FC (soccer), banned him and his friends from entering the facilities for at least one year. Ironically, the incident was on Mother's Day.
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    Re: Equal rights between men and women

    That's good. Don't know if the punishment was a bit on the harsh side, but the people are right in saying that you can't act like this in front of a legal reporter. If they had some responsibility, they should know that behaving like this will come with consequences.

    Considering that employers nowadays check social media for potential employees, they can gauge behavior on what's being reported too. I'd fire someone who would say that in front of a legal reporter because it's a disgusting comment and it shows the person lacks decency.
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    Wait, seriously? 2 people poking fun and referencing an internet meme (albeit a vulgar one) constituted being fired? Have we lost all of our sense of humor? Can I not say "f*** her right in the p****" anymore without being called misogynistic? And how is p**** and c*** misogynistic while d*** isn't considered misandristic?

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    No Villager, you can't say something like that on Live TV without consent from the reporter and expect to get away with it. This isn't 'poking fun'. Poking fun would be doing a silly walk in the background. It'd still be childish and very disrespectful to the reporter who tries to do his/her job, but at least that's almost harmless. This is like spitting on the bread of a baker. It is rude, disgusting and idiotic. The phrase itself is irrelevant, and I think gender is too. I can't see a woman getting away with pulling this sort of stunt either.


    It seems harsh to lose his job over this but at the same time, I can understand why a business would want to distance themselves from someone who did something this rude and stupid. Only thing I do not understand is why we need to know so much about this fella like his full name, paycheck and former job. It doesn't add anything to the story and it only allows for jerks to find out who he is and punish him even more, which sadly is a thing that happens these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Villager of Death View Post
    And how is p**** and c*** misogynistic while d*** isn't considered misandristic?
    Different meaning (and apparently a different etymology for that matter, but that is a bit beside the point). "Dick" is far more gender-neutral while "p*ssy" and "c*nt" are way more gender-specific. Whether you call a man or a woman a dick, the meaning is more or less "jerk" or "asshole". But "p*ssy", and "c*nt" perchance to a lesser degree, carries more connotation of gender roles. So even if you use it at a male, it implies "effete".
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    A woman previously convicted for life who had the sentence revoked has been acquitted in a second trial.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ictim-murderer

    When Emma Humphreys was acquitted of murder by the court of appeal in July 1995, it marked a change in the law in cases of abused women who kill violent men. Emma had stabbed Trevor Armitage, her violent boyfriend/pimp after he threatened her with a “gang bang”, and this vulnerable 16-year-old woman could take no more. In her short life she had already been witness to domestic violence, raped countless times, and prostituted while running away from a violent stepfather. At her appeal, following a three-year campaign by Justice for Women, lawyers argued that the provocation that led Humphreys to kill Armitage had built up over the years, and that all of the previous violence from men she had experienced should be taken into account.

    But that change in the law did not benefit another vulnerable and abused young woman, Stacey Hyde, who was acquitted of murder yesterday, following a retrial. Hyde’s case begs the question: what are we doing to support young women who suffer male violence?

    Vincent Francis, the deceased, had a history of violence towards women. The court at both trials accepted that there had been 27 previous acts of domestic violence towards his girlfriend, Holly Banwell, prior to the incident on the night he died, and that he had also attacked a former partner. At the retrial, Hyde’s lawyer described how Francis would regularly pull clumps of Banwell’s hair out by the roots, and likened the experience to “torture”.
    That she has been tried a second time despite the mitigating circumstances and the cancellation of the earlier conviction is incomprehensible.

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    There is a fascinating interview by Vox's Sarah Kliff of a psychologist who specialised on juvenile sex offenders. This group is responsible for a third of sexual abuse directed against minors (I suppose these are based on American figures, so use the with care - I have no idea on whether these numbers very significantly elsewhere in the world nor in what direction). She has some important things to say about recidivism, treatment and prevention.

    One topic that they discuss is whether juvenile sex offenders should be tried as adults (usually proffered as a means to make prison sentences more punitive than out of genuine concern for victims). I have railed against such suggestions several times and I am delighted to report that the expert's judgement is that it is counterproductive, admittedly from an entirely different angle.

    http://www.vox.com/2014/12/5/7333765...rneu-interview

    Elizabeth Letourneau is one of the country's leading experts on sex crime — why it happens and whether there are better ways to stop it. She focuses in particular on juvenile sex offenders: people who commit a sex crime before they turn 18. This is an important group to understand in the fight against child sex abuse. Juvenile sex offenders perpetrate approximately one-third of sexual offenses against minors. They are also are more likely than adult offenders to commit crimes against younger victims. That's why it's so important to figure out the most effective ways to treat them. Understanding what makes them offend and intervening in innovative ways can protect other kids.

    As the director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse at Johns Hopkins University, Letourneau has devoted her career to trying to do just that. Letourneau and I spoke recently about why adolescents commit sex crimes, and how to stop sex abuse before it happens.

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    About discrimination of women in STEM:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/25/8288841...ers-study-race

    Nearly half of black and Latina women scientists say they've been mistaken for administrative or custodial staff in the workplace, a study published in March found.

    Forty-eight percent of black women and 47 percent of Latina women said they'd had this experience. The numbers for white and Asian women are lower but still disturbing, at 32 percent and 23 percent, respectively.

    Those are just some of the findings from the new research, which was summarized by the Harvard Business Review. The takeaway of the study, by Joan C. Williams, Katherine W. Phillips, and Erika V. Hall, is that personal choices aren't the only reason women decide to leave STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) careers. The bias they face in the workplace once they enter these jobs plays a huge role, too. And unsurprisingly that bias is especially intense and takes different forms when it comes to women of color.

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    These are different figures from the ones used in the CPS studies used in the "Yes mean Yes" rule topic, so this article about them is instead posted here - it says English and Welsh figures about crimes against women are drastically understated:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...cs-agency-told

    Official statistics are drastically downplaying the scale of violent crime against women, the UK’s top statistical body has been warned.

    The Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) fails to account for nearly half the attacks on women, particularly when the assailant is known to the victim, as it caps the number of separate crimes that can be reported by a single respondent at five, a meeting at the UK Statistics Agency (UKSA) was told on Tuesday.

    Sylvia Walby, professor of sociology and Unesco chair of gender research at Lancaster University, said the cap should be lifted.

    Walby warned that the policy warped the results of the survey especially in cases of domestic violence which, she said, was more likely to be repeated. She said she believed there was no longer any justification for the cap.

    Her work has found that the total number of violent crimes soars by 60% when the cap is removed. But this increase is concentrated on violent crime against women by partners and acquaintances, which rise by 70% and 100% respectively.
    The Office for National Statistics (ONS) defended the cap, although a spokesman did say officials were reviewing it. Fewer than 200 of the 35,000 people surveyed had been a victim of the same offence on more than five occasions, it said.

    “If repeat offences were not capped, there is a risk that a small number of cases involving multiple attacks on the same person could end up skewing results, making it very difficult to spot trends in crimes,” the ONS’s head of crime statistics, John Flatley, said.

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    This news is important for something that was discussed before:

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    And finally, the location of the abortion clinics that do not have to shut down (since yes, the bill did get passed):


    You see the problem here?

    If you don't, let me spell it out for you: unless you live in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, or El Paso, there is not an abortion clinic that you can go to in the state of Texas that would be considered "local". You want to know how many women that stops from getting abortions in clinics, resulting in them having to either travel to one of those cities, or even worse, makes them consider back-alley, coat hanger, or self-mutilation abortions? Over 10 million. So just because there ARE clinics in Texas, that does not even come CLOSE to saying abortions are accessible in Texas, as the other (roughly) 267,279 square miles don't have one nearby. False equivalency. Say it with me! "Legality does not mean accessibility."
    The Fifth Circuit Appeals Court has approved a Texan law, with effects that dramatically restrict access to abortion:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8754833/...texas-abortion

    A federal appeals court has upheld a Texas law that threatens to shutter more than half of the state's abortion clinics.

    The primary restriction being weighed requires abortion clinics to qualify as "ambulatory surgical centers" (ASCs).

    The law included a number of other provisions as well, including a near-total ban on abortions after 20 weeks, a requirement that women take abortifacient drugs in the presence of a doctor (necessitating multiple hospital trips), and requiring abortionists to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.

    The court did exempt a McAllen, Texas clinic from the requirements, noting that if it closed, women in the area might have to travel 235 miles to get an abortion. But women in El Paso, which isn't exempted, will have to travel 550 miles to the nearest clinic.
    The decision will likely be appealed.

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    Although this news item has some troubling potential for Orientalist othering, that does not detract anything from the bare hellishness of the public ordeals some Indian rape victims are pressured to undergo (not by the federal government in this case, it is a local tradition that puts women at a setback).

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32444349

    A woman who was gang raped for eight months in Gujarat, western India, is now not only pregnant as a result, but has been ordered to face "purification tests" by her community's local courts. The BBC's Ankur Jain reports on what this gruelling ritual will entail and why it is still endured.

    The shy, softly spoken 23-year-old - who cannot be named for legal reasons - was living happily with her husband and two children in Surat when she was abducted last July and repeatedly gang raped by more than five men over several months.

    She is now heavily pregnant and her petition for abortion was turned down by the Gujarat High Court because she was too advanced in her pregnancy.

    Now, staying in a two-room house in Devaliya village, Ranpur Taluka, Gujarat, she spends her time with her two children. Her in-laws refuse to take her back and her husband has left his parents to be with her. But she spends all her time with the children, snuggling them and holding them tight.

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    This is a huge problem in India and several other Middle-East countries where rape victims, RAPE VICTIMS!, are tried by law after their body were subject to the physical and psychological equivalent of getting run over by a truck. I can't believe it.
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    I think those laws that criminalise victimhood as adultery are mostly a thing on the Arabian peninsula. Is there anything like it in India?



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    The images will still exist but won't come up on a list when people look for them.

    In a blog post the company's Vice President Amit Singhal said it will apply to "nude or sexually explicit images".

    Google has, in the past, resisted attempts for it to take down online content from those search results.

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    Ellen Pao, who left Reddit more or less recently, wrote this essay in the Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...059_story.html

    I have just endured one of the largest trolling attacks in history. And I have just been blessed with the most astonishing human responses to that attack.

    What happened to me while head of the popular online forum Reddit for the past eight months is important to consider as we confront the ways in which the Internet is evolving. Here’s why:

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    Murder of feminists in Mexico is perpetrated by 'law enforcement'.

    http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/5...be-killed.html

    Nadia Vera, 32, a proud feminist and social activist, was murdered in her flat in Mexico City along with four other women last month. Three of them, including Vera and her journalist friend Rubén Espinosa (both pictured above), were allegedly raped and tortured before being shot in the head. Many believe they were targeted because they dared to demand equal rights for women across the country, attending protests, staging plays and writing politically charged poems.

    Sadly this incident is not an isolated one. These horrific murders are just the latest in a long line thought to have been committed to silence women just like Nadia. 36 women's rights activists have been murdered in Mexico in the past five years according to the National Network of Women Human Rights Defenders of Mexico. Their stories have been largely ignored by local media in Mexico. So is this really what women still have to face in 2015? Facing serious injury, intimidation and even death, just for speaking out about women's rights?

    A study found that in 2012 alone, there were 414 attacks against female human rights defenders in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, with 118 of these taking place in Mexico. A massive 87% of these attacks were found to have been committed by the very people who were supposed to be protecting these women - police, government officials and the military.

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    A tremendously sadistic crime happened against a female domestic servant in Saudi Arabia. The victim is South Indian, the suspected perpetrator is a Saudi woman.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34483504

    India's foreign ministry has complained to the Saudi Arabian authorities following an alleged "brutal" attack on a 58-year-old Indian woman in Riyadh.

    Kasturi Munirathinam's right arm was chopped off, allegedly by her employer, when she tried to escape from their house last week, reports say.

    Ms Munirathinam was working as a domestic help. She is recovering in hospital.

    Her family has alleged that she was being tortured by her Saudi employers.

    Saudi authorities have not commented on the incident yet.

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    News emerged in a cause celebré in gender politics: Roman Polanski, who had sex with a 13 year-old girl in the seventies (therefore non-consensual and therefore rape, in case that wasn't clear), will not be extradited to the United States, a Polish court decided.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34675672

    A Polish court has rejected a request to extradite film director Roman Polanski to the US for having sex with a girl of 13 there in the 1970s.

    Judge Dariusz Mazur said the request was "inadmissible". However prosecutors can still appeal against the ruling.

    The 82-year-old Oscar-winning director was not present for Friday's court session in Krakow.

    Polanski, who admitted unlawful sex with a minor, fled the US ahead of sentencing in 1978.

    After the ruling, Polanski said he was "very happy" the case was coming to a close.

    "I feel relieved but tired... it cost me a lot of energy, a lot of time," he told reporters in Krakow

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    The World Economic Forum isn't optimistic about closing the pay gap, with the figures showing a reduced rate of progress.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34842471

    The World Economic Forum believes it will take another 118 years - or until 2133 - until the global pay gap between men and women is finally closed.

    Women are only now earning the amount that men did in 2006, data from the WEF's Global Gender Gap report says.

    It says progress on closing the gap has stalled in recent years at a time when more women are entering the workplace.

    In fact, nearly a quarter of a billion more women are in the global workforce today than a decade ago.

    In several countries, more women are now going to university than men but - crucially - this is not necessarily translating into more women occupying skilled roles or leadership positions.

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    Law professor Danielle Citron, who is mentioned several times above, considers pitfalls and opportunities for taking on online harassment.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...education-laws

    Attitudes towards online abuse have undergone a sea change over the last decade. In the past, cyber-harassment – often a perfect storm of threats, impersonations, defamation, and privacy invasions directed at an individual – was routinely dismissed as “no big deal”.

    So it was for one Yale law student. Starting in 2007, on an online discussion board, a cyber-mob falsely accused her of having herpes and sleeping with her dean. Anonymous posters described how they would rape her; they chronicled her daily whereabouts and prior jobs. Yet law enforcement told the student to ignore the attacks because “boys will be boys”. Officers advised her to “clean up” her cyber-reputation, as if she could control what appeared about her. Trivialising online abuse and blaming victims was the norm.

    Today, the public has a deeper appreciation of victims’ suffering. As advocacy groups like the Cyber Civil Rights Initiative have shown, and as society has come to recognise, the costs of cyber-harassment are steep. Because searches of victims’ names prominently display the abuse, victims have lost their jobs. They have had difficulty finding employment. Employers do not interview victims because hiring people with damaged online reputations is risky. Victims struggle with anxiety and depression. They withdraw from online engagement to avoid further abuse. Women, especially younger women, are more often targeted than men, but in either case, the abuse often has a sexually demeaning and sexually threatening cast.


    A graceful interview with Monica Lewinsky about the harassment and chronic unemployability she faced:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...tar-jon-ronson

    You have to feel bad for her about how the presidential race will likely go, especially considering how Drumpf's trumpery will include references to her. She won't even comment on him directly, probably to avoid ceaseless dogpiles from the Trump nation.

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